Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Sin All You Want

Many Christians cannot accept that ALL of our sins (past, present, future in terms of our own life time) are forgiven.

Their favourite argument is this: "If all your sins are already forgiven, does that mean you can sin all you want? You can kill somebody and still go to heaven?"

The short answer to that: YES!!!

In fact, you get to heaven FASTER after you get caught by the police and receive the death sentence from the High Court judge (we have the death sentence in Singapore for the information of readers outside Singapore).

I am not being flippant here. I repeat: You Can Sin All You Want!

The key word here is WANT. After you receive the gift of forgiveness from and reconciliation with Daddy God, do you still WANT to sin?

You say, "But even after becoming a Christian, we still sin." Of course we do, because the flesh is still with us. Paul talks about his struggle with sin in Romans 7.

Rom 7:18-21 (NLT)
18 And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t.
19
I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway.
20
But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
21 I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.


Notice that Paul WANTS to do what is good and right. Although you can sin all you want because you are eternally forgiven, I submit that if you are truly a Christian, you will be just like Paul; you will WANT to do what is good and right.

Since the church is depicted as the bride of Christ, let me use the analogy of a wedding ceremony to illustrate:

The bridegroom and the bride are standing before the pastor, facing each other and preparing for their marriage vows.

The bridegroom says to the bride," I will love you with all my heart, my soul and my strength. I will never be angry with you. I will forgive you of whatever wrongs you do to me, even adultery!"

Upon hearing this, the bride smiles happily, pumps her fist and shouts, "YES!!!" Then she turns her head towards to the best man and winks at him.

Is that what you expect the bride to do? You will question whether the bride truly loves the bridegroom in the first place.

When the bride appreciates how much she is loved by the bridegroom, she will love him back and will want to do what is pleasing to him.

1John 4:19 (KJV)
19We love him, because he first loved us.

Similarly, when you truly appreciate how much God loves you, you will not want to sin but rather you will want to do what is good and right. You may fail now and then but not because you want to.

When you do fail, know that you are already forgiven. Pick yourself up, slap the dust off your body and start afresh.

You are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!

19 comments:

peter said...

Dear Stanley,
I dont hv your email n hence I am writing to you thru the comments box.

First of all, I am amazed by your prolific writing. The number of blogs in just a few days blows me over. Keep it up!

Two suggestions for you to consider:
1) After finishing a topic would you re format to put them in the sequential order.
2) If you vist Sze Zeng's blog (Joshua Woo) you will realise that he is having a field day tearing apart JP D2D. I tried to engage him on his blog but no much point.
Would you like to set up a blog just to reply to his points?

You may wish to delete point 2)if you wish to publiosh this comment.

Shalom,
Peter

Joo said...

Hi Stanley,

Welcome to the world of blogging!

Finally you have decided to make things happened by setting this blog. I still prefer to watch things happen by sitting on the side-line. Now that you have set up your blog, I have more things to watch! Ha! Ha!

Good to have a little "Rojak" fellowship with you this afternoon.
Speaking of Rojak, now I have to queue longer at the TP stall after hungribunni publicised it sometime ago!

Well, speaking of Rojak, it sure looks messy but it certainly tastes good! We all can be so messed up with sins(black & dirty like the hei ko!!) but when the goodness of God fall upon us, we can become the sweet aroma of Jesus!

O taste and see that the LORD is good; Blessed is the man who trusts in Him! (Ps 34:9)

Shalom,
Joo

Stanley Wong said...

Hi Peter,

I am totally new to blogging, so it may take me some time to re-arrange the blog but I will try :-)

As for joshuawoo's review of D2R, I must say that I find it hard to rebut his points because I have difficulty understanding what he is trying to say with all those pseudo-theological mambo jambo!

I get turned off by all these theological jargon, and I feel that many ordinary Christians would feel the same way.

Hence, I was motivated to start this blog so that I can share the gospel in a manner that is easily understood by the ordinary Christian.

Stanley

Stanley Wong said...

Hi joo,

Thanks for sharing the rojak with me :-)

I will try to put up more shows for you to watch ;-)

Akan Datang ...

Stanley

Kat said...

Hey brother,
Soon you can become new pastor of NCC! I believe many will be blessed by your posts! Shalom! Kat

Stanley Wong said...

Kat,

Don't like that say leh ... very paiseh ... i'll be "honoured" if people start calling me a heretic though ... haha

Charis-Aletheia said...

Hi Stanley,
A friend intro me to your site.
Don't worry about Sze Zeng, he is there to confuse if he cannot convince. Let's just focus on Jesus and preach the truth. SZ is so caught up with or proud of finding fault with JP saying Jesus is grace, as if JP has done an unpardonable sin.

Speaking to myself too; that we should say less negative about such people like SZ and say more positive confession of our faith in Christ Jesus! Amen with me?

Stanley Wong said...

Hi charis

AMEN! That is why I chose to start my own blog to share the gospel rather than engaging in an online slugfest with SZ or other like-minded characters.

Let Jesus be gloried :-)

Kevl said...

Hi Stanley, yes the key is "want" there is no type, amount or desire of sin that can separate us from Christ, or poke out from the covering that He is for us.

The more we mature the less we will "want" to sin because maturity comes from being discipled by the Holy Spirit.

Kev

Sze Zeng said...

Hi there,

Just to clear up something here. First, I'm glad to hear comments from you all.
Second, I didn't use any "theological jargon" in my review of JP's D2R. If there are, pls point out and I'm glad to explain them.
Third, I don't feel proud of doing the review as it is not a task of honor but of obligation.
Fourth, it's an overstatement that my review is being seen as an "online slugfest". Perhaps, that's inevitable for such confusion given such (digital) platform.
Sixth, thank you all again for the (indirect) comments ya. Appreciate them. :)

friend said...

You referred me to this article from comments in another article.
I understand that you are trying to made a point that if we accept JESUS as our SAVIOUR, all our sin past, present and future a cleansed... and there should be no doubt about it. Even though GOD recognised that we would continue to sin, HE would really want us not to sin, wouldn’t he ? Won't it be good to take the opportunity to quote some bible phrases to ask the reader to do good ? While you did say "After you receive the gift of forgiveness from and reconciliation with Daddy God, do you still WANT to sin?", the overall impression of the article is as the title says "SIN ALL YOU WANT" which could encourage the reader to sin.

As for the example about the bride... I don't collect statistic on this issue but I would think people stray not at the point of marriage but after. When a person accepts JESUS as his SAVIOUR, I would think that the person would restrain himself for a while. But with time, he might go back to his old ways (may be to a lesser degree). The point I want to make here is that unless the person himself is already good, you can't say that once he got the gift from DADDY GOD, he will WANT to do go indefinitely (which is the impression the article is trying to make). PAUL may have achieved certain levels of cultivation but we are not PAUL.

There is also a danger in this article. Because the argument that a person would want to do good is weak, the reader would take this as a justification for doing bad. Come on... if I can still go to heaven if I kill somebody, then ? Ya, I want to do good... but it ok, GOD will forgive me. In fact, he has already forgiven me. There are people in this world who thinks that he is able to get away with crime. And some do. They are smart enough to cover all their trails. They do not get punished in this layman world. Reading this could encourage more and more of such people in our society.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing against the point that all our future sins are forgiven. I just hope that with our current low level of morality, we would not give a slightest hint to the reader that he has already gotton the passport to do bad.

By the way, does the Blog caters to Christians or anyone with internet access ?

Stanley Wong said...

Hi friend,

My blog is open to anyone with internet access, whether Christian or non-Christian.

The point of this article is that many Christians mistakenly think that the gospel of grace gives license to sin, i.e. since all our sins have been forgiven, we can sin all we want.

I say, technically yes, we can sin all we want but the catch is this: we actually don't want to sin because Christ is in us.

The morality of the world, at whatever level, is all about self-restraint, relying on one's own strength. What we need and have as Christians is not self-restraint but Christ in us leading and guiding us to live right. We do not rely on our own strength for as Paul says in Romans 7:18 "And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.I want to do what is right, but I can’t."

You said: "The point I want to make here is that unless the person himself is already good, you can't say that once he got the gift from DADDY GOD, he will WANT to do go(od) indefinitely"

You should know that Jesus did not come to save good people - Mark 2:17 'Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." '

You asked this question: "if I can still go to heaven if I kill somebody, then ?"

Let me ask you: "Can a convicted murderer in death row go to heaven if he accepts Jesus Christ as his Saviour?"

If your answer for my question is Yes, then it is the same for yours.

friend said...

I guess I didn't get my point across clearly enough...

But to answer your question "Can a convicted murderer in death row go to heaven if he accepts Jesus Christ as his Saviour?"

I believe that if the person first commits murder and then accepts CHRIST, and that he has really accepted CHRIST (in the mind and not just in form and actions), he will go to heaven. But if the person first accepts CHRIST and then go on to commit murder, the person has not truly accepted CHRIST in the first place. Taking the example of the bride. Her body got married to the husband but not the mind, even at the time of marriage.

I would like know what you think of this “Can a person who has accepted CHRIST and then go on to commit murder over and over again but is not caught… go to heaven ?”

Stanley Wong said...

Hi friend,

You asked:“Can a person who has accepted CHRIST and then go on to commit murder over and over again but is not caught… go to heaven ?”

There is no point in answering all these type of hypothetical questions because I can always ask whether that person truly accepted Christ if he commits murder over and over again.

But I think you yourself may have already found the answer in your own answer: "that he has really accepted CHRIST (in the mind and not just in form and actions), he will go to heaven".

The key is not what we do or did but what Christ has done for us.

friend said...

First of all, I must say I do learn something when I read this blog. I had a misconception that after getting the gift from CHRIST, the person could regress and not enter Heaven. Now, I know that if the person DOES receive the gift, it is permanent. However, I do need to differentiate those that had received and those that hadn’t.

From your last post (…I think you yourself may have found the answer…), I can conclude that Christians go to Heaven only if they have accepted CHRIST in the mental state and not just in forms and actions. Then CHRIST will live in the person.

This means that Christians who go to Church every week, says their prayer every day might not go to Heaven in the end. And let me ask any Christian, do you think that you will not enter Heaven. They all say that CHRIST lives in them and they will go to Heaven. There will be people who live on this thought but fail when the day comes. Isn't there a danger here?

Another point is that "SIN ALL YOU WANT" only applies to those who have truly accepted CHRIST because CHRIST lives in them. But for the rest, they also think that they can "SIN ALL YOU WANT"! The reason is that they do not know that they have received CHRIST only in forms and actions but not in the mind. Not only that, they are not proactively on their guard against doing bad because they have left the task to JESUS (who does not live in them). They potentially do not improve or get worse because of their sinful nature. I would think that the adulterous husband could potentially fall into this category. He continues to sin and even as he sins without redemption, he feels blessed because he thinks that CHRIST lives in him and his sinning is expected!

The article did say "truly a CHRISTIAN" but I guess all Church goers, prayer sayers think they are truly a Christian.

Let’s go back to the adulterous husband again. If after receiving CHRIST, he still continue to sin, that is expected. But if he starts to sin more and more, wouldn't it be a sign that he has not really received CHRIST? If he remains status quo, would it also be a sign that he has not really received CHRIST because JESUS is now in him and helping him and yet he does not progress. So can I say that any form of regression or non-progress indicates that the person did not actually receive CHRIST? Further, if the person does sin lesser and lesser, it may not be due to the gift as the person may be relying on his effort, falsely thinking that CHRIST lives in him.

Is my above deduction correct?

The article says “that many Christians mistakenly think that the gospel of grace gives license to sin.” While it is not the intention of Gospel of Grace to give licence to sin, are there any safeguards in the Bible to prevent it from being made use of that way?

Stanley Wong said...

Hi friend,

The same message heard by different people can generate different reactions, and hence it is possible that some will abuse the grace message as license to sin.

However, the truth must still be preached as the apostle Paul did even though his preaching was also misunderstood or abused by some.

Romans 3:7-8 (NLT)
7 “But,” someone might still argue, “how can God condemn me as a sinner if my dishonesty highlights his truthfulness and brings him more glory?” 8 And some people even slander us by claiming that we say, “The more we sin, the better it is!” Those who say such things deserve to be condemned."

friend said...

You have not answered whether my deduction is correct or not. I would really like to know. Or you can refer me to some website or preaching on this topic. Or I’m totally off?

I totally agree with you that people received the message differently. So could be done to minimise this? Are there any safeguard against this when preaching? There should be some measurements for the listener to evaluate and see whether the message is received correctly or not. Like some type of semester tests and not wait until the final exam to find that one fails the test, right? Is there any advice in the Bible on this?

I think the responsibility lies on the preacher because a newbie like me has no way to know.

friend said...

Found the answer:

1 John 3:9 (King James Version)

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Stanley Wong said...

Hi friend,

Great verse! Thanks :-)