tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post1447993597304652430..comments2023-06-09T20:58:20.841+08:00Comments on The Logical Christian: What A Fool I've Been!Stanley Wonghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14714965246685825942noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-49206230319226286212009-04-17T15:25:00.000+08:002009-04-17T15:25:00.000+08:00and also, spare me from the spam emails on faceboo...and also, spare me from the spam emails on facebook. I am not interested in any of the dispute/ justification of NCC at all. It's just meaningless.Nathalienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-88317975084244610152009-04-17T15:22:00.000+08:002009-04-17T15:22:00.000+08:00people are just opinioned here, there is no use to...people are just opinioned here, there is no use to dispute/ argue anymore, it's not edifying at all. <br><br>Every church has its own weakness, but the dangerous part is it doesn't even willing to admit and try to change/ move on. (end)Nathalienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-75073024388174487122009-04-16T00:04:00.000+08:002009-04-16T00:04:00.000+08:00Dude... you posted a link to an article, not your ...Dude... you posted a link to an article, not your profile ... how am I supposed to know that the writer of the comment is also the writer of the article? Is it so difficult to end your comment with 4 alphabets - "Ming"?<br><br>I did NOT say that 500k is peanuts, NOT in any article, NOT in any comments, so do NOT stuff words into my mouth.<br><br>Like you said, humble is not an easy definition. It is subjective and varies according to how each individual values something or someone ... there is no right answer, so who are we to judge whether 500k a year is excessive or not?<br><br>Is paying $250k a week for someone to kick a football excessive or peanuts? Is the person greedy for accepting that amount?<br><br>As for your reference to Melchizedek, I think it is better for you to find out exactly who He is by listening to Pastor Prince's sermons first hand.<br><br>By the way, I am not from the government service. You would've known that IF you had bothered to read my profile.Stanley Wonghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14714965246685825942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-41494096322569311052009-04-15T18:05:00.000+08:002009-04-15T18:05:00.000+08:00Dude... the anonymous title is posted by blogspot....Dude... the anonymous title is posted by blogspot. I've given you a blog link with a profile of myself there.<br><br>Yeah I admit humble is not an easy definition. 100k? 200k? Somethings are grey and somethings are obvious to a point that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Remember the outburst over the "peanuts" that Durai took as remuneration from NKF? Yah what you saying here is 500k is peanuts. Of course, now I understand according to a friend from NCC, the board includes an investment bank director. You know the million dollar payout people. I'm sure you know news was all about them much of this year. 500k peanuts.<br><br>Just for knowledge a friend from NCC correctly pointed out that there was a teacher of the word who was richly blessed and greatly praised by God. His name is Melchizedek, the first high priest, king of Salem. The knowledge slipped me and he was referenced in later part of the bible alongside Jesus. Fair enough. I now accept that someone equivalent of high priest status and king(or CEO) enjoys that kind of privilege.<br><br>That my friend is what I call someone who truly wanted to know the truth.<br><br>Just to please you I'll type my name and URL everytime I reply ok? Gosh... are you from govt service?<br><br>(Apologies to civil servants who are not so anal cos I work with too many who are.)Minghttp://www.mingspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-88457284122991467512009-04-14T11:14:00.000+08:002009-04-14T11:14:00.000+08:00Dear Anonymous_14April_1047AM (or should I call yo...Dear Anonymous_14April_1047AM (or should I call you Ming instead?),<br><br>How do you define a "humble life"? What is your criteria?<br><br>If you interview 10 people, what are the chances they will also list out the same criteria as you?<br><br>You said "My mentor is a good man and I do take responsibility for my poor bible knowledge".<br><br>Did you mentor teach you to take responsibility for your "poor bible knowledge" by identifying yourself instead of displaying your "poor bible knowledge" anonymously?Stanley Wonghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14714965246685825942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-22799269419835271082009-04-14T10:47:00.000+08:002009-04-14T10:47:00.000+08:00You might want to read down the line to chapter 6 ...You might want to read down the line to chapter 6 about False Teachers and Contentment.<br><br>But perhaps if you feel that PP's intention is badly misunderstood, I can point you to the right journalist to clear his name.<br><br>If he lives a humble (I didn't mention poor here) life with a 4 room HDB and a second hand toyota. I'm very sorry. Perhaps it's my poor judgement to jump to conclusions. If he owns a million dollar private property and $200k luxury car. Let me see... he was an IT professional before that. Would he have managed the same in the IT line? 500k a year? Can I safely assume he became rich by becoming a pastor.<br><br>Job didn't become rich by becoming a pastor. Neither did David, Soloman, Abraham, Joseph... men of faith and great wealth but none teachers of the word.<br><br>On the other hand I'm sure you know Paul and teachers of the word lived a very different live. Not poor but humbly comfortable. Why? Because<br><br>But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.<br><br>But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.<br><br>Everyone has their strengths and weakness. I acknowledge PP's strength and merits in having convert many to the saving grace of Christ, raising money to do good. Is it so hard now for him to admit that taking $500k was greedy on his part? Is it?<br><br>Man have sin and weakness as I do too. Is it so hard to admit it? Say sorry made a mistake, give back the wealth, and all will be well. Isn't it? Christians are not the type that say sorry also must explain why.<br><br>If I'm wrong about PP and he actually lives a very humble life. There will be speedy deletion of my comments and I'll arrange the ST journalist to publish that PP actually lives a humble life and we're mistaken about the news report.<br><br>Otherwise, I suppose you are all waiting for the day when your dear pastor buys a private jet/yacht and then you tell yourself that God has blessed him so richly.<br><br>Let me point out, the only "teachers of the word" who were materially richly blessed were the Pharisees. They were also the same people who cannot be blamed. Any word against them is blasphemy. The same men who crucified Christ. I'm not saying PP is one. I really hate to draw on this parallel but surely you being the logical christian will know what I mean.<br><br>2 days before the article was published. I had a revelation about this and wrote a blog entry on Why can't pastors be financially blessed. Don't just take the title. In this article, I'm talking about large amounts of wealth. Like the 500k that we are talking about here.<br><br>My mentor is a good man and I do take responsibility for my poor bible knowledge. "Biblical hardly" referred to the response by NCC.<br><br>I repeat there is no such thing as becoming rich by becoming a teacher of the word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-10723953862029652192009-04-11T14:21:00.000+08:002009-04-11T14:21:00.000+08:00Anonymous (again, sigh...) April 11, 2009 4:45pmPl...Anonymous <i>(again, sigh...)</i> April 11, 2009 4:45pm<br><br>Please read the Bible first before attempting to use the Bible to support your personal views, "Biblical hardly".<br><br><i>Elders who do their work well should be respected and paid well,especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.” And in another place, “Those who work deserve their pay!” 1 Timothy 5:17-18</i><br><br>Giving to God does not get you blessed because You are already blessed when you accepted Jesus as Your Savior! Giving does not get you a good life because you already have the ultimate; eternal life! You give as and expression; out of gratitude and thanksgiving.<br><br>I don't mean to sound rude but I think you are the one who needs to get another mentor in your understanding of God's Word. See where you eat, not all websites are biblically learned.<br><br>God is not praised or honoured when His Word is misappropriated, loosely used and taken out of context. You may be stumbling others this way...kingdavidhttp://kingdavid.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-13111604318008456752009-04-11T14:08:00.000+08:002009-04-11T14:08:00.000+08:00We don't give to God to get a good life or ble...We don't give to God to get a good life or blessings. I think you misunderstand where we come from.<br><br>We give out of the overflow of the blessings He has blessed us with, and we expect life and life more abundantly not because we give but because Jesus said it and God is faithful to keep His Word - they do not go out and return to Him void.<br><br>NCC-ers do not blindly follow PP. In fact most read the bible, studying closely its Hebrew and Greek. Most also listen to other good sermons and read widely. So it is not right to say we only get our feeding from PP. <br><br>I do not dispute his pay is higher than most people's comfort levels for a pastor's pay, but I will let Jesus be His advocate/judge for that blessing rather than judge him because none of us knows what is God's opinion. All we voice here is our human ones and sometimes, not very pretty or Christian either. The best part is that we all think we are right haha. I recall the ending of Job where God says this to Eliphaz and friends: "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has." I hope for each of us that we will not receive a similar rebuke.<br><br>I also reflect on the LORD's action after he rebuked the judgemental friends: <br><br>After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver [a] and a gold ring.<br><br> 12 The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.<br><br> 16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so he died, old and full of years.<br><br>Interesting, God blessed Job with prosperity in the spirit, in relationships, in the family, and even materially. Hmm...Daughter Of Sarahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03425194072696617329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-26053488672587283732009-04-11T04:45:00.000+08:002009-04-11T04:45:00.000+08:00Logical yes. Biblical hardly. You've missed th...Logical yes. Biblical hardly. You've missed the point about why Pastors are Pastors in the 1st place. Because the can cook well? In this case preach well? Or is it a calling from God?<br><br>I know a lot of motivational speakers who don't need to use God's name to make that kind of money.<br><br>http://www.mingspot.com/index.php/financial-matters/about-christianity/91-legally-right-and-biblically-right<br><br>My response if you are interested. Really if you are a member of NCC, I suggest you get another mentor in your understanding of salvation.<br>Giving to God does not get you blessings. Giving to God is does not get you a good life. You will need to pick up your cross and follow Him. Thankfully his yoke is easy and his burden is light.<br><br>Praise God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-25738251036943375612009-04-10T18:53:00.000+08:002009-04-10T18:53:00.000+08:00People in the world look for justification for som...People in the world look for justification for someone to receive certain pay.<br><br>But Lord God O Almighty bless his beloved child because it is undeserved, unearned and unmerited. It is all by HIS GRACE that Pastor Prince receive such a pay. <br><br>How to justify that? I don't know!<br><br>So, no matter how logical not illogical you are, there is no answer, except the Mightiness of all that Lord Jesus has done on the cross. He gives us, His Children of God, His Righteousness of God. All who believes are blessed the fruit of this Righteousness. How to justify that?<br><br>Praise the Lord for all His Great Grace and Great Mercy.<br><br>Hallelujah! Hallelujah!!!Stephaniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17444164688247151111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-30561019578870299302009-04-10T12:25:00.000+08:002009-04-10T12:25:00.000+08:00It isn't so much the size of the remuneration ...It isn't so much the size of the remuneration that was paid to the pastor. It is the justification given by the deacon who said he deserved it for bringing in so much revenue for the church. He has debased the very values held by most christians and that is to help the people in need, both spiritually and physically. Doesn't saving souls count for much?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-35281094847269583722009-04-09T14:11:00.000+08:002009-04-09T14:11:00.000+08:00Prosecution is a sign that tells you guys you are ...Prosecution is a sign that tells you guys you are on the right course. Pray for him. He's just a brother from another mother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-79567489112554081172009-04-09T10:47:00.000+08:002009-04-09T10:47:00.000+08:00oh yeah, i forgot about the inquisition/ the tortu...oh yeah, i forgot about the inquisition/ the tortures/ the crucification/ the witch hunts etc. lol<br><br>very christian like oh MIGHTY INFALLIBLE KING you are.lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-64935996442516545542009-04-09T10:25:00.000+08:002009-04-09T10:25:00.000+08:00Anonymous (April 9, 2009 2:44am)I think you just s...Anonymous (April 9, 2009 2:44am)<br><br>I think you just step out of line to ridicule all the people under a certain ministry. Whether you believe in this ministry or not does not give you the right to taunt, condemn or mock.<br><br>For someone who does not even dare leave its name, does not even have a right to comment, in my opinion.<br><br>Your comments online behind a computer does not mean you do not need to face the consequences of your words.kingdavidhttp://kingdavid.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-60236848057931599992009-04-09T02:44:00.000+08:002009-04-09T02:44:00.000+08:00now we know how logical is logical christian. :)th...now we know how logical is logical christian. :)<br><br>thank you for helping us to understand the sort of people under prince.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com