tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post1737244314617242713..comments2023-06-09T20:58:20.841+08:00Comments on The Logical Christian: Why This Waste?Stanley Wonghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14714965246685825942noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-36888498312754383302015-04-02T15:35:37.605+08:002015-04-02T15:35:37.605+08:00Hi Stanley,
This is some 5 years late, but just ...Hi Stanley, <br /><br />This is some 5 years late, but just want to say "Thanks" for your post which very much put the whole thing into perspective. <br /><br />Looking forward to more updates.<br /><br />Blessings.Josephinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11711317022892113387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-74752516578801562422010-09-04T01:47:23.286+08:002010-09-04T01:47:23.286+08:00Hi Gweek,
Jesus loves you, walk closely to him an...Hi Gweek,<br /><br />Jesus loves you, walk closely to him and let Him bless you and you will understand why we willingly and gladly tithe to Abba Father new kingdom.<br /><br />No point look from outside and wonder..get to know Jesus and receive His Love and you will discover what a wonderful God He is.<br /><br />Blessed!Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444164688247151111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-45951070930282446502010-09-03T13:27:50.703+08:002010-09-03T13:27:50.703+08:00And yet.And yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-10253097163318796172010-09-02T11:35:45.493+08:002010-09-02T11:35:45.493+08:00Hi allysark,
I applaud NCC's strict practice ...Hi allysark,<br /><br />I applaud NCC's strict practice of not pressuring the congregation to give. Keep that out :)SATheologieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03776516716731379132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-66486226380145347922010-09-02T10:35:47.800+08:002010-09-02T10:35:47.800+08:00Oh I see, no wonder I saw the usher holding on to ...Oh I see, no wonder I saw the usher holding on to the Miracle Seed envelops but not giving out. :PStephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444164688247151111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-66571062383975648862010-09-02T09:49:33.735+08:002010-09-02T09:49:33.735+08:00i serve as an usher in NCC and i can assure you th...i serve as an usher in NCC and i can assure you that the church does not pressure it's members to give. last sunday, we (the ushers) were specificcally told NOT to give out the special "miracle seed" envelopes to congregation throughout the service as we do not want anyone to feel pressured to give. if anyone wants it they'll have to either ask for it from the ushers or take them off the counter themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-67499661028833955252010-09-01T11:49:58.829+08:002010-09-01T11:49:58.829+08:00Actually nobody cares abt how much you give.. Nobo...Actually nobody cares abt how much you give.. Nobody to account to.. Nobody check.. Nobody sees if u give or how much you give.. All of us who gave, gave out of our hearts to God.. It's between you and God thing.. <br />I don't know about you gweek.. Maybe you don't tithe, it's okay not to tithe if you don't have a revelation. Similarly don't give if u don't have a revelation.<br /><br />As for us, a church Venue that is big enough to hold all of us..where we ncc goers can gather and feed on the word is important.. Maybe u don't go to chuch tts why u consider <br />this a waste.. This will be a place where Jesus people can come and worship Him and where many prebeliever wil come to know Jesus!!<br /><br />What is most important to you?mymanyshoeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01259037916791641312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-15228223520692130702010-08-31T22:26:15.197+08:002010-08-31T22:26:15.197+08:00Come on Gwee. I have absolutely zero interest in m...Come on Gwee. I have absolutely zero interest in making this into an "us-them" argument or some other retarded agenda as you claim.<br /><br />All I've implied is that accusing people of wasting money on gifts for their loved ones is wrong. After all, how can an "outsider" (or third-party if that sounds better to you) judge the worth? Are you (or me) the giver?<br /><br />You don't seem to understand how people giving to the one-north project can be an expression of love for Jesus so I'm trying to illustrate this for you. Now there might be some that give with wrong motives but we're not discussing them.<br /><br />And of course even if we don't splurge on expensive gifts for the wife or girlfriend or friends or relatives, it's obviously not proof that we love them any less for that matter. (I'm suppose I'm kind of like that actually.) That's common sense. And there are many other ways to express affection as well. So please don't say that I'm accusing anyone, the least being myself, of not being a good husband or wife or friend or whatever if they don't give expensive gifts. That's just nonsense. But it's still nice to be able to do these things for your loved ones...<br /><br />To borrow someone else's words: You don't have to but you get to.<br /><br />Hope this strikes a chord.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688708455674100618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-26939911972467830672010-08-31T21:42:45.688+08:002010-08-31T21:42:45.688+08:00@kenneth,
It is your prerogative to call the plac...@kenneth,<br /><br />It is your prerogative to call the place a house of mammon. <br /><br />As for me and my household, we choose to call it an iconic building that Singaporeans can be proud of, a top-notch facility for civic and cultural events, a beautiful venue where God's people will congregate to glorify Jesus.<br /><br />By the way, Rock Productions is fully owned by NCC. So, contrary to what you think, it is not a bad deal for NCC to pay rent to Rock Productions. Whatever Rock Productions earns, after deducting off the relevant taxes, will flow back to NCC.<br /><br />Peace. :)lipkeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07692791517030568407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-17712760043403779182010-08-31T21:24:28.577+08:002010-08-31T21:24:28.577+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688708455674100618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-77643287822121378952010-08-31T20:39:35.444+08:002010-08-31T20:39:35.444+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13038155960359968420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-92167110735774100852010-08-31T20:20:59.873+08:002010-08-31T20:20:59.873+08:00Gweek
when you see your neighbour buy new car, wi...Gweek<br /><br />when you see your neighbour buy new car, will you ask him why he spend so much money on the car?? If you see him giving money to his wife, do you ask him why he give so much money to his wife...??would you ever question your neighbour/stranger about the way they handle their money??<br /><br />Similiarly I don't understand why some people are questioning what we wanna do with our own money...<br /><br />For people like that I only have one word for them<br />>>> busybodymymanyshoeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01259037916791641312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-78210251166987351992010-08-31T12:27:07.730+08:002010-08-31T12:27:07.730+08:00Gweek
u kept talking about auditing, someone shou...Gweek<br /><br />u kept talking about auditing, someone should look into this, someone should look into that, AS IF your life is fully accounted for?<br /><br />I BET my last $ (wait, think I better give to church than WASTE my last $) that your wife (if you are married) or your teachers or your pastor or your cell group leader or your friends or your seniors or your mum (surely have) must have repeated umpteem times to you since you are a kid, "gweek, you should look into this, you should look into that. why like this huh? someone (your boss, your wife, you doctors) should look into this & that, why you so like that huh?"<br /><br />Wah, waste breathe man. Should save my breathe, why such waste.<br /><br />Buay tahan, (see i not noble, that's y i need Jesus, else xiao liao u know, especially with people like you.)<br />WilliamUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00610611478296148248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-88416609029900230702010-08-31T12:10:33.053+08:002010-08-31T12:10:33.053+08:00Hi Gweek,
It is not about man.
It is the love of...Hi Gweek,<br /><br />It is not about man.<br /><br />It is the love of the Father God and Lord Jesus. When you realised how good He is to you, like I realised how good He is to me. My heart totally opened to Him.<br /><br />So far, Daddy God has been taking good care of me and make sure I walk into victorious life no matter what situation I faced.<br /><br />With such a loving God, how not to reciprocate His love for me?<br /><br />It is when I know I receive much, I can return to Him what He had blessed me.<br /><br />The sound of this tithing speaks for itself. We all in NCC received much from His Great Love, not just spiritual love, but monetary and emotional love, all areas of love.<br /><br />Therefore, we can afford to tithe to Him what He prospers us for His purpose. It's not about us, but about Him who prospers us. Glory Glory! Amen Amen!Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444164688247151111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-33175524248930743562010-08-31T10:47:36.550+08:002010-08-31T10:47:36.550+08:00MyExceedinglyGreatReward:
Nice move turning this ...MyExceedinglyGreatReward:<br /><br />Nice move turning this into a us-them, insider-outsider issue! It appears that your assumption is similar to Stephanie's: ie. if one is from New Creation, one MUST agree with this mega-money-raising project.<br /><br />Stephanie goes to the extent of saying that, if one doesn't agree, one is a Judas. For you, if one gives much, one is like a loving husband. Together, you make a stick-and-carrot argument. Stephanie doesn't allow for someone to disagree and yet be a faithful disciple of Jesus. You don't allow for someone to NOT buy diamonds and still be a good husband.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Joseph Prince was supposed to have said it didn't matter if someone wouldn't give. Yet, the ground sentiments seem rather to be pushing a quasi-dogmatic point. So which is it? It sounds like, while your Big Man may say one thing, there is much internal pressuring and arm-twisting going around. Perhaps someone or some agency other than an auditor should look into this and see how wide, and high up, this goes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-45905302251896738732010-08-31T00:49:44.263+08:002010-08-31T00:49:44.263+08:00Gwee,
Perhaps some (rhetorical) questions will il...Gwee,<br /><br />Perhaps some (rhetorical) questions will illustrate the point I want to make:<br /><br />Would you consider buying a 1 carat diamond ring for your wife wasteful?<br /><br />Would you consider giving a generous gift to a close friend, or a sibling, or your parents, wasteful?<br /><br />Then would you consider pooling together a tidy sum of money with a large group of friends to throw a huge party and to buy an expensive present for a very very special someone, who honestly means everything to you (and who loves you more than you can imagine), wasteful? And do you think that special someone upon receiving the love gifts would scold and accuse everyone for doing something so stupid and wasteful for him? Or would he rejoice in accepting as they rejoice in giving? Would you?<br /><br />I think you get the point.<br /><br />All these giving are expressions of love from real people to real people.<br /><br />They aren't self-centred, nor misguided nor greedy, nor stupid, nor wasteful acts. To outsiders who do not love and therefore not understand, it might seem so, but it's still not. It's wrong to imply that someone is being wasteful for lavishing gifts on someone they honestly love, be it a stranger, a good friend, a parent, a brother or sister, or Jesus.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688708455674100618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-5160574972797842022010-08-31T00:39:45.067+08:002010-08-31T00:39:45.067+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688708455674100618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-84928298163757863612010-08-31T00:35:01.108+08:002010-08-31T00:35:01.108+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688708455674100618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-58469218235363728252010-08-31T00:14:19.140+08:002010-08-31T00:14:19.140+08:00Hi Gweek,
Do you know Jesus loves you so much tha...Hi Gweek,<br /><br />Do you know Jesus loves you so much that He went to the cross for you? He cleanse you so clean that the blood of Jesus allows Holy Spirit to lives in you forever!<br /><br />It's all about His unconditional love for you and He wants you to know that no matter what, He loves you very much.<br /><br />This Benjamin Generation, abba is opening my blessing arms to bless many. Seeding is my way of opening the heart of my children to receive my blessings.<br /><br />I know you are in your lack and you wanted me to bless you richly. Abba could only bless you if you let the love of Jesus gets into your heart.<br /><br />You have waited for many years and you are wondering where have I gone. Abba will greatly bless you if you go find out how much I have love you. Glory Glory!<br /><br />Do not prosecute those that love me much and are willing to believe me and tithe to my kingdom. My Son, Jesus Christ, 2nd coming is near. <br /><br />Do not miss the movement of God through your bitterness. Cast it to me and come close to me so that I could bless you out of your debts. Glory Glory! Amen Amen!Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444164688247151111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-28902472790507407142010-08-31T00:09:52.086+08:002010-08-31T00:09:52.086+08:00Stan
I told you right? You talk $$$$$ sure hear a...Stan<br /><br />I told you right? You talk $$$$$ sure hear a lot of barkings.<br /><br />You last 2 posts hardly drew any comments, but when you talk about so much $$$$$, sure cannot tahan one.<br /><br />Last 2 days I brought my son go prawning, 6hrs $60, caught 13 prawns. The catch was miserable, but we had plenty of fun. Then I remembered the poor lady whom my wife gave $5 for her packet of tissue. Then I asked myself, "Why such waste? $60 can buy her 20 meals!" I should also forget about iPhone and iPad, just get a $0 2 year plan package, as long as the phone has basic functions, so that I don't waste $$$$$ can help the poor. BUT wait, I am not too sure if these noble people who speaketh so noblely owns an iPhone? Maybe they were one the first to Q for it.... Why such waste??? These money should be given to the poor ....<br /><br />So bros & sisters, don't waste time explaining. Don't waste the breathe God gave you. It's like play music to the cows or sometimes we also say some people "Ivory can never grow out of a dog's mouth."<br /><br />Shalom Shalom<br />WilliamUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00610611478296148248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-36941347714362342002010-08-30T23:15:13.047+08:002010-08-30T23:15:13.047+08:00@Stanley:
One hub, two zones, but still one House ...@Stanley:<br />One hub, two zones, but still one House of Mammon.<br /><br />And oh, you guys are plonking so much money into this building to own it, and then you still have to pay rent to be an anchor tenant? Are you guys sure you're getting a good deal?Kennethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860127635276778840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-59286725602735266292010-08-30T21:46:42.861+08:002010-08-30T21:46:42.861+08:00Woah. So is this how New Creation get its money? P...Woah. So is this how New Creation get its money? Proclaim in absolute prophetic terms with no room for questions, pressure people by calling those who don't believe or agree Judases, and use Jesus's name in all manners that can push people in a desired direction? VERY scary. Who do I want to be? A thinking Christian, one who loves God also with his mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-46728362100109279132010-08-30T19:23:50.774+08:002010-08-30T19:23:50.774+08:00Hi All,
As Stanley and the Church emphasize, you ...Hi All,<br /><br />As Stanley and the Church emphasize, you do not know what is coming in this new building that Lord commissioned NCC to build.<br /><br />Pastor Prince revealed in 2007, when shutting down the bible study that something greater is coming. Lord let him peeped a bit of the Glory Light that was so strong that Pastor Prince was afraid that if he saw the full opened door, the Light will be too strong for him to take it.<br /><br />Yes, you don't know why Lord commissioned NCC to build. When His Glory is revealed, when you finally justified you want to be part of this, the window will be long shut.<br /><br />Those who don't is like Judas, saying the money should go for the poor, the needed, but wonder how many of them actually did it themselves, Judas din.<br /><br />When the Glory of Jesus is fully revealed, those who then want to be part of his plan, will be like those woman that come after the burial. Their heart is keen, but due to din sit at the foot of Jesus, they did not get the info and had come at the wrong time.<br /><br />Who do you want to be? Mary or the other women that came at the wrong time? Argue all you want, when the truth is shown, you want the window space to open for you but it's gone. Those that obey will be greatly blessed, just like Mary. Who do you want to be?<br /><br />Time will tells, by then, argue all you want, but it's too LATE!<br /><br />Shalom!Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444164688247151111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-3425433087598305892010-08-30T18:10:59.228+08:002010-08-30T18:10:59.228+08:00I think you're taking the wrong lesson out of ...I think you're taking the wrong lesson out of this. The point is, under usual circumstances, it is entirely right and urgent to help the poor. Jesus's own ministry gave the poor, the sick, and the oppressed special attention. He even began his time by proclaiming: "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour." (Luke 4:18-19)<br /><br />But jesus's own death -- God's death -- was a unique moment in human history. the use of expensive perfume signals the great value of jesus's impending sacrifice to redeem men from something far greater than earthy poverty: all OUR spiritual poverty. so far from saying that we don't have to bother about poverty since the poor is always with us, Jesus's words should really challenge us as follows: NOW that he is no longer on earth, NOW is the proper time we should help the poor as much as we can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9053305825078372051.post-91400670192663797752010-08-30T17:52:23.955+08:002010-08-30T17:52:23.955+08:00Hi miak,
NCC is presently trying to secure a relat...Hi miak,<br />NCC is presently trying to secure a relatively permanent venue to house the congregation, and its members are contributing to this cause. <br /><br />There are always disasters happening all over the world. Besides Pakistan, China also has its own flood disaster. Why should NCC be obligated to contribute relief to all disasters?<br /> <br />The Singapore government has billions of dollars in its reserves, how much has the Singapore govt donated? Why don't you pester the govt to give more to Pakistan?<br /><br />Fyi, in the past, NCC had contributed to the Sichuan Earthquake Relief as well as during the asian tsunami disaster.Stanley Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14714965246685825942noreply@blogger.com